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Forum Review (Part 3) - Question for Lithgow City Council

Due to time constraints on the evening, Mayor Neville Castle and Lithgow City Council General Manager, Roger Bailey, agreed receive all questions that weren't asked on the night and answer them as soon as possible. The Lithgow Business Association will endeavor to get these responses from Council into the Lithgow Mercury as soon as possible and, as always, on this site as well.
LUS issues
What are the reasons to change the minimum lot size for building permission in the new draft LUS? (Mr T. Ebersoll)
Is the State Government Planning Department or Lithgow Council responsible for decision making and planning directions in the draft LUS? If it is a mix of responsibilities, what proportions apply? (PJ Grosfeld)
I live on my land at Sunny Corner Road Portland. This is all I have. I am a pensioner and have no means to build a house within 5 years - or ever. If the land rezoning comes into effect, my land will lose the value, our children will have nothing left from us, we will not be able to sell it because nobody will buy land they can’t build on. We are 3km from post office and my opinion is that land that was bought and sold as a small acreage with vision to build should stay like that irrespective of Council plans about bigger acreages and also irrespective of my financial ability to build in my lifetime. (George Kely)
The Mayor made a statement at the forum that he believes the 40 hectare minimum will stay in place and the sunset clause likely to go. Why then does the Council not make this announcement public and get on with working with the rest of the LUS and allow things to start moving in a positive direction? (Mrs J. Johnstone)
DA’s & Council Communications
On more than 5 five occasions I have made a phone call to Council with regard to a DA. The person I needed was not available and the staff person took my number and said they would call me. On NO occasion has amy call been returned. What system will Council put in place to ensure calls are returned.? (Mr K. Bird)
With regard to DA’s would it be too much trouble for the Council to communicate to people how the STOP THE CLOCK systems works? This would maybe in turn stop people thinking that their DA’s are taking months and then in turn maybe the idea of a liason officer (as suggested by Jamie Giokaris) would be a very positive move in the future. (Mrs J. Johnstone)
Council staff do not reply to emails. Would Council at least install a process of when a ‘read receipt’ is part of the email that the staff acknowledge emails (Mr K. Fletcher)
Why is it, that large firms such as; Branston, Macquarie Geo Tech and Calare Civil are incredibly reluctant (some even refusing) to work with Lithgow Council? (Mr T. Dean)
Heritage
Heritage Precincts, there is grave concern on how these precincts and restrictions on such, will affect property values, what is Council planning for such? (Mr J. Presbury)
Why are areas that have absolutely no heritage value involved with Heritage studies and expense to developer. Case in point an old derelect petrol station.
Business & Industrial areas
What is the problem with the land at ADI site? I looked at purchasing some land 8 years ago and got the runaround. There seems to have been no release/development in this area. Why? What role is Council playing in getting this land sold for development? (Mrs M. Griffiths)
Is it possible for Council to develop a team that actively seek bringing medium / large business or developments to the area? (Mrs M. Griffiths)
When the question was asked as to what business the Council have bought to the area in the last 10 years, the answer was given SDRO, PAL, Emirates, ALDI, Woolworths, Thales, a Retirement village????. It appears to me that the first three of these are of State significance and the rest are simply businesses that decided they want to come here or expand. The Council have not gone out & sold our area. These are simply signing off of DA’s. the question remains what business have Council sought out in the last 10 years for our area? (Mr B. Partridge)
General Questions
What are Council doing to plan for parking and traffic flow in the Main St area? This is a significant inhibitor to growth in the retail business area.
Do Council not have any power to ensure landlords maintain premises in an acceptable level? (eg Mort St TAFE, shop fronts at Eastern Main St) This presents a very poor image of business to prospective business, tourists and customers)
Have Council ever bothered to contact Bathurst Council to see what it is that they are doing to attract business to their area?. Whatever it is, they are successful.(Suzanne Carson)
Why doesn’t Council look further into dealing effectively with Boral to have the old cement sight cleaned up so Portland can move on?
Why isn’t there signage which supports our region as a ‘place worth spending time in’. Lithgow don’t even have the towns population listed. (Noeline Thorn)
With regard to the tourism booklet. How far afield does this magazine go? Where are the key areas that Tourism see as prospective visitors from this production. (Mrs E. Turner)
The proposed change of ‘Code of Practice" at Council meetings restricts direct access of the public to Council. What is the reason for the proposed change and which avenues are left open to have an input? (Mr T. Ebersoll)
Is there any plan to address Nepotism in Council (Mrs K. Moon)
Forum Overview (Part 1)
On Wednesday, July 27, 2011, the Lithgow Business Association hosted a forum with members of the Lithgow City Council, Councillors and the general public. More than 110 people attended the event, held in the Tuscan Room at the Lithgow Workman’s Club to hear guest speakers talk about the reasons why our town is headed in the direction that it is and what the solutions could be to make it a thriving town once again.
The first speaker was Jamie Giokaris, principal of L.J. Hooker Lithgow. He spoke of the many developers, builders and architects he had come in contact with and some of the grievances they have with the processes involved in getting development applications (D.A.’s) approved through Council. He also spoke briefly on the Land Use Strategy (L.U.S.) that was open for submission. Whilst he saw many positives in the document, he believed that more information needed to be available to the general public – suggesting workshops and information evenings to help the community understand the near-800 page document better. Jamie also touched on the need for Council to have better first-up contact with potential investors, suggesting a customer liaison in the front office and better communication through all levels and section of the development process. He also talked about the constraints on investors/developers regarding heritage requirements and that some more thinking to go into these matters. His overall message was to be positive and to look to the future.
The next guest speaker was Steve Anderson from Anderson Surveying. He read from a prepared statement that covered many problems (as he saw them) with the processes involved with Council. He spoke passionately about the L.U.S. and his personal experience regarding this document. He said that Council had had seven years to prepare the L.U.S. and, until the draft was published, Council didn’t have any discussions with landowners regarding the preparation of the document. He also spoke on the changes the L.U.S. will have on zoning and that Council had not contacted landowners regarding these changes. He told of the many meetings he requested with Council regarding the rezoning of his own land and how his requests had been ignored – in fact, Steve had submitted more than 30 pieces of correspondence with Council and that the only time he was favoured with a response was when he pointed out mistakes in the plans. He also questioned who was going to be reading the 300+ submissions regarding the L.U.S. and claimed that if Council were to be the ones to make decisions based on the submissions that they will then have taken up a dictatorial role within the community. He finished by asking whether it would be beneficial for our town to amalgamate with the Bathurst Council. This was met with warm applause (and a few cries of "no!")
Robert Cluff was the next speaker and his talk was mainly aimed at the processes involved with getting D.A.’s approved, and the sometimes lengthy delays that will cause potential investors to walk away from the area. He believes that approvals are getting harder and that Council seem to spend more time looking for possible reasons to deny applications, rather than focussing on the potential benefits to the town from the incoming development. He also spoke of the growing costs of having to use consultants – especially heritage consultants – and that sometimes the success or failure of a proposed investment/development will come down to the costs involved in getting the approval from a consultant. He believes that Council should show a more positive outlook on D.A.’s from small to medium sized business and move away from the perceived "Mining, Coal, Power Station" attitude that Council has. He admitted that businesses need to make sure that all the small things are done properly before making submissions and that Council should look more for "7 positives before 7 negatives."
Brett Partridge was the last of the guest speakers and was probably the most passionate talk of the four. His first concern was that the community and Council should "pick a point and start from there" in relation to starting a new era and that the town shouldn’t embrace a "Us vs. Them" attitude with Council. He then said that he believes that middle management at Council misleads the whole of that body and he mentioned that discussions for a business park in Lithgow had begun more than a dozen years ago and yet nothing has been accomplished due to poor management from Council. He also raised issues of confidentiality at Council and cited a personal experience of what he considered to be a private discussion with members of Council regarding a large investment in our town being talked about a few days later in local businesses. He also cited the "Gas Works Debacle", where Council offered the site up for sale in 2006, took a deposit and held it for 4 years before claiming that the site was contaminated and the developers lost their chance to make something out of it. His frustration with lack of knowledge and understanding within Council regarding the values of land, the costs involved in major works (he mentioned an incident where a tender was put out by Council to redo the hockey fields and he waited for a response – he was told he was over their proposed budget tenfold.) He stated that currently the standards being employed by Council are not up to scratch and that a new direction – and new blood – were needed if we plan on attracting developers to our town.
Council’s response to these speakers came, in the main, from Mayor Neville Castle. He congratulated the people for turning out and cited the effect of "people power" in relation to the proposed 2nd jail a few years ago, claiming that Council would listen to the people and their wishes. He stated that he had spoken with all of the Councillors and that they had taken the position that they would read all submissions relating to the L.U.S. and would make time for more workshops and discussions and that Council would take all recommendations seriously. He said he was worried that people were getting caught up in one part of the L.U.S. and ignoring some of the other very good things in the document – such as the plans for a business or industrial park. He said that if the people wanted the 40 hectare lots to remain then Council would more than likely accept that recommendation. His big message regarding the L.U.S. was twofold – "We are listening" and "This is only a draft." He mentioned the business park was voted on and accepted in 1999, only to have new Council elections happen shortly after and the motion was repealed. He spoke of the many new businesses and developments that Council had overseen – Thales, Police Assistance Line and State Debt Centre, Emirites, Plaza expansion, B.W.S., Hungry Jacks and Supercheap Auto. He cited costs recently to Water Transfer System, Sewerage Plant upgrades and sports precinct as a reason for less spending on other matters. He also said that Council would continue to report to the Lithgow Business Association quarterly and that they would make the undertaking to follow up on this forum and questions/issues relating to it, and that they would actively be involved in further discussions.
(More to come...)
Forum Review (Part 2) - Questions From The Floor
Q. Why did Council allow the closure of the TAFE Automotive School without a fight?
Neville Castle answered by stating that Council made representations to the local member at the time and the State Government with little result. He also conceded that we should have never lost such an important asset.
Q. Why does it take so long for a D.A? Why are there such high heritage restraints? Why does Council have a heritage consultant from Bathurst.
Andrew Muir gave statistics that showed that Lithgow had a better approval time than any of the nearby regional councils. The average approval time was 16 days for residential (over 348 D.A.’s – which is a pretty impressive number) and 21 days for commercial. Heritage concerns are high on Council’s priorities as they are keen to keep the streetscape looking its best. The heritage consultant is a qualified heritage architect and has been an advisor for many regional councils over the years.
Q. Can Council give an update on the Land Use Strategy?
Neville Castle says that Council has had many conversations with members of the community regarding sections of the L.U.S. and that Council is planning more meetings with the public and will begin looking at the submissions soon.
Q. Can Council develop a focus group to attract small-medium businesses to the area.
Neville Castle replied that Council had put together a prospectus aimed at highlighting the many benefits of living and working in the local area. Council is currently in the process of getting the prospectus around to many different places.
Q. What is the problem with the land at the former A.D.I. site? Could Council develop something there?
Roger Bailey stated that Council doesn’t own that land.
Q. What is the current situation with heritage precincts? How will these effect current (and possible future) businesses?
Suzanne Lollback suggested that people read the heritage forms that are on display on the Council website and at the administration centre.
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Forum for the Future of Lithgow Business
*UPDATE* Forum for the Future of Lithgow Business - Invitation
THIS INVITATION IS EXTENDED TO (but not limited to) :
State Member for Bathurst – Mr. Paul Toole
Mayor of Lithgow – Mr. Neville Castle
General Manager, Lithgow City Council – Mr. Roger Bailey
All Councilors: Mr. W. McAndrew, Mr. W. Marshall, Mr. R. Thompson, Mr. J. McInness, Mr. M. Ticehurst, Mr. G. Danaher, Mr. C. Hunter

